Mat Marquis wandered into our IRC channel a few months before, talking responsive images and motorcyles and Mega Man mostly. At the same time, Bruce Lawson was advocating for something like <picture> with the standards people at Opera (he wrote about that here). The following logs took place on December 6th, 2011.
<miketaylr> btw, Wilto: http://miketaylr.com/post/b3c55cf2.png <miketaylr> chatting with annevk
I think the screenshot I pasted was from an Opera internal IRC network called #techno—where the standards people hung out. I don’t remember though. (sup lawyers)
Anne was linking to a demo that Scott Jehl and Mat made that used <canvas>. It’s dead today but there’s plenty of links on the web describing it. Mat filed this bug for Firefox: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=707806 as a result of the demo.
<Wilto> miketaylr: I can't get past the no-JS issue. <Wilto> I'm not comfortable saying that it's the way forward. <Wilto> On paper, man, it's gorgeous. <miketaylr> he's just talking about the general push for responsive images <miketaylr> not this technique <Wilto> Oh, oh. <Wilto> miketaylr: Two questions. <Wilto> miketaylr: 1) Who's this Anne dude? <vladikoff> lol <Wilto> 2) Yes yes yes more visibility to responsive images issues yes let's make that happen. <miketaylr> re 1) anne van kesteren, standards guy, editor of CORS, XHR, FullScreen API, 18 million other things, zelda nerd <Wilto> Oh ho. <Wilto> A good dude to have on our side, you're saying. <miketaylr> he's a good guy for sure <Wilto> miketaylr: What does he mean by "standardize on it?" <miketaylr> Wilto: write a spec, get browsers to implement it <Wilto> Thing is, canvas is PERFECT. <Wilto> If it followed the spec everywhere. <miketaylr> well, it's a perfect *hack* <Wilto> I dunno. <miketaylr> canvas is not intended to be a generic <img> container <miketaylr> even though it can do that <Wilto> No, but it's made for the display of dymanic content, y'know? <matjas> TIL "dymanic" is a thing.
Mathias Bynens, IRC wise guy, before he was at Opera.
<Wilto> I, matjas, am dymanic. <Wilto> The small vs. big image logic would all be be within the canvassy goodness. The img would just be a reliable fallback, as designed. <miketaylr> i guss that passes muster <miketaylr> guess even <Wilto> YOU DYMANIC NOW DAWG <Wilto> I mean… It's like, that or a new element. <miketaylr> or better media queries and network control <Wilto> Should I write a spec? I will write the fresh hell out of a spec. <miketaylr> or something <Wilto> Should I get in touch with this dude? <miketaylr> Wilto: sure, he's parked in #whatwg
6 hours later (in theory we did some actual work that day):
<Wilto> -Hey, there's that Anne dude in #WHATWG. <Wilto> What's my plan of attack, miketaylr!? <miketaylr> right now he's busy talking xhr with sicking <Wilto> Yeah, I'm kinda tied up now anyway. <Wilto> I'll pester people tomorrow. <miketaylr> so when they're done... say, annevk i want to make responsive images happen <Wilto> That doesn't seem very attack-y, though. <miketaylr> or just say wowowowowowowowow <miketaylr> and drop in that gif (http://i.imgur.com/7XsmM.gif) <Wilto> I like attacking people, places, and things. <Wilto> HE SAID THE WORD "RESPONSE" NOW IS MY TIME TO STRIKE <miketaylr> lol <Wilto> "SPEAKING of things that respond to things!" <miketaylr> SPEAKING OF RESPONSE text <Wilto> I'm smooth like that. <Wilto> "Oh, hey brah-you dig respondin'? That's cool, that's cool. SAY, HAVE YOU HEARD OF RESPONSIVE WEB DESIGN!?" <Wilto> ?cc <bot-t> CASE CLOASED >: |
And then two days later the conversation continues in #whatwg. Or maybe it was the next day cause Krijn’s servers are in the future. I don’t remember.
And then a lot of people did a lot of real work for years to make <picture> happen. I just continued making jokes on IRC instead (I regret nothing).